Myocarditis paper – Dr Peter McCullough / Dr. John Campbell Interview

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you are very welcome to this video and I’m particularly pleased to welcome Dr Peter McCulla who is an internist a
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cardiologist and epidemiologist he’s been a professor and a very very highly
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published doctor indeed and I’m also welcoming Nick holer who is a medical
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research gentleman thank you both for coming on thank
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you now the basic thing we want to talk talk about today and it’s it really couldn’t be more important I’ve got so
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many uh questions I want to know about this really uh but we want to look at
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this paper autopsy findings postmortem findings in cases of fatal covid-19
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vaccine induced myocarditis so so Dr Mulla perhaps you could just start us
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off by you know telling us a little bit about what myocarditis is and and why you’re concerned about it in this
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context please well myocarditis is is a is a medical problem that we’ve dealt
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with in cardiology for decades as long as I can remember and uh you know prior
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to covid the causes uh were kakaki virus adov virus occasionally an influenza
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virus um and then an idiopathic form called giant cell myocarditis giant cell
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was always the most worrisome and I’m in Dallas Texas and uh Dallas Texas LED one of the most
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important clinical trials in myocarditis years ago was called the myocarditis treatment trial and there every single
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patient had a biopsy done of the heart to try to diagnose uh you know exactly
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what was the cause of myocarditis and what we learned from the study is that broadly applied steroids didn’t play a
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role and the most lethal form was indeed this giant cell which is special histopathology giant cell in fact is so
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important to diagnose that um you know we quickly moved towards transplant um and advanced circulatory support but
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prior to the pandemic myocarditis occurred at a rate of you know somewhere
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around four cases per million per year so in the United States that means maybe
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about 1,200 cases in the entire country per year prior to the pandemic I had
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only seen two in my entire practice one sadly passed away um but uh so we rarely
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encountered it let me tell you something else prior to the pandemic we had guidelines written in cardiology that it
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was so well known in myocarditis that exercise or The Surge of adrenaline
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could be a trigger for cardiac arrest we immediately took people with myocarditis out of sports or athletic competition
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that’s actually in all the guidance so we knew myocarditis if it exist uh could be fatal uh largely during two times one
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during exercise and then also Al in the waking hours 3:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. in sleep because again there’s a surge of
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adrenaline during the normal waking process MH and uh what what was it motivated you
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to write this paper looking specifically at covid-19 vaccines because surely we’ve had a pandemic isn’t that going to
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account for these cases of myocarditis the viral infection itself you know there was a great
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concern Ralph baric published actually in the journal that I was the senior associate editor of many years American
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Journal of Cardiology he published back in the 1990s that human beta Corona viruses uh
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could actually cause myocarditis and animal models if actually the animals were exposed to enough of it he literally flooded the animals with beta
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coronav virus could cause to myocarditis so during 2020 there was a an incredible
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search for myocarditis uh there were studies in the US military the Israeli military and the
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most notable one is published by Daniels and colleagues uh and was published in jamama from the Big 10 athletic league
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now Nick is at the University of Michigan they’re in the Big 10 League that’s where I went to graduate school
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and let me tell you what they evaluated every athlete they had 30% of the
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students uh in 2020 got covid-19 so because they checked everybody and they
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searched thousands of athletes to see if they developed myocarditis and we’re talking EKGs blood testing for chipon
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escalating Imaging up to cardiac MRI out of thousands of uh of possibilities of
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people who got sick with covid they came up with about 36 putative cases where there was some abnormality by uh by
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enzymes uh troponin or by Imaging and you know what not a single hospitalization or death two Valley and
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colleagues in Israel found no increase in myocarditis during 2020 above the Baseline rare cases but what happened
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was a false narrative came out of the hospitalized literature where people sick enough to be hospitalized with
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covid were having elevations in cardiac troponin in the ICU as would patients with pacal or hemophilus or other forms
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of of pneumonia or ICU illness none of those hospitalized cases were ever
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adjudicated to actually have myocarditis but it was the elevation of chonin so what came out of this was a false
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talking point that was carried forward by the American College of Cardiology and the government agencies that said that Co itself causes more myocarditis
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than the vaccines and nothing can be further from the truth my thinking is that with the
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vaccine the amount of Spike protein produced is is unpredictable so with the
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infection you’re going to get you’re going to get the virus you’re going to get a certain amount of Spike protein you’re going to develop an immune
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response and that’s going to be dampened down reasonably quickly but with the vaccine who knows how much Spike protein
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is going to be produced because you’re going to get systemic absorption you could get SP huge amounts of Spike
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protein developing all around the body including in The myocardium is that part
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of the PA pathogenesis do you think I think so Bruce Patterson at incel DX has
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several per view Publications with the infection even severe cases he’s able to
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find only the S1 segment of the spike protein presumably the F S2 segment is
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sacrificed at the A2 receptor and it has largely receptor mediated um catabolism
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but there is the S1 segment that’s found in the human body with the uh with the vaccines the messenger RNA and adov
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viral DNA vaccines there’s a full length Spike protein even with the novaa it’s a full length SP Spike protein S1 and S2
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that’s been demonstrated by brogna and colleagues in Germany but more importantly the quantity which you
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pointed out and the only way we can really uh infer that is by the antibody Rises so the antibody Rises to the spike
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protein in the natural infection are just a fraction of what we see with vaccination M Nick how did you go about
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collecting the uh the data for this and the the the patients how were they selected so so we set out to search the
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peer viwed literature for all the published autopsy studies that include
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uh cases with covid-19 vaccines as a previous exposure um and specifically
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those that that were affected by myocarditis and so we found around uh
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over a thousand studies we looked through and uh we we searched through
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those and in the end we came up with 28 cases um and and among these 28 cases 26
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of them there only the cardiovascular system was involved in two of these
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cases uh it was a consequence of multistem inflammatory syndrome um and we could talk about how
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how how the mechanisms behind that how those are differentiated um I mean with
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multi-stem inflammatory syndrome uh it it’s possibly due to that system
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systematic circulation of Spike protein uh that that we’ve seen in a few studies
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um now also one concerning finding we had was that the mean age of death was
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44 years old now that that’s actually uh that’s a bit inflated because we didn’t
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include uh we didn’t include the study by Gil which was two teenage boys diing
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their sleep we didn’t include that study we didn’t include those ages in the descriptive statistics because they just
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said teenage they didn’t say the age didn’t say so we didn’t include the uh
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any estimated age estimat so if if we did if we included uh Teenage which was
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probably 15 14 years old uh the mean age of death among cases would be probably
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around 30 years old and that that’s really concerning because you know the these aren’t uh these aren’t 90y olds on
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their deathbed with with uh five comorbidities uh so so yeah and most of
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the cases died within a week of vaccination so that that established the
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temporality of that so you’re careful to exclude studies where the cause of death
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might have been something else you’re fairly sure that the 28 cases you’ve got were very likely to be vaccine
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associated myocard itis deaths yeah that’s correct and and
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actually in in in most of the cases around 18 cases uh there was the
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patients had no symptoms prior to death they they just died suddenly at home uh
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there was nothing suspected wrong uh they just died shortly after vaccination and and the autopsy findings
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uh presented uh interesting findings that that that
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no nothing else likely cause these death Dr Mulla medically how can it be that someone can be perfectly healthy one
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minute no symptoms sometimes no symptoms at all and yet yet be dead a few minutes
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later I mean what is going on here we have some Clues uh one there are two
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prospective cohort studies that evaluated people before the vaccine and
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then after one is been by man sui and colleagues from land and that was on
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shot number two ages 13 to 18 and in that study it was uh roughly
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2.3% actually met a a definition of myocarditis a couple of the kids were
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hospitalized and then a paper by beran and colleagues from basil these were largely healthcare workers mainly mainly
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female nurses on shot number three and they just evaluated tronin alone the main cardiac biomarker and they found
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2.8% had uh an elevation opponent after the shot so and and there may have been
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one or two cases where they would have met a a definition of myocarditis so we’re talking about 2.5% of people
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actually probably do sustain some heart damage from these studies and of those
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over half are completely asymptomatic from a cardiac perspective so and there were two papers by Jenna shower in the
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journal Pediatrics that caught my attention she was uh recording children who develop myocarditis and a large
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fraction had no specific cardiac symptoms they had a sore arm they had fever but nothing that would localize to
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the heart and in uh our paper uh that you know I published with Nick huler at the University of Michigan uh what we
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found is that no one had an MRI ahead of time to diagnose this ahead of time so
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these cases turned out to be you know largely cardiac arrest and then the then the finding of myocarditis at autopsy
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mhm do you think it’s possible possible that you could have two patients with the same degree of postvaccine
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myocarditis and one takes it easy and maybe does a bit of academic work for a few days but one decides to play a game
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of football or go for a run and because of the exercise it’s quite possible that
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one could go into like something like a ventricular fibrillation cardiac arrest and the other might as it were get away
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with it is is is that element of Ju Just sheer probability and bad luck in that
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do you think sometimes it it changes the probabilities remember exercise is the surge of adrenaline exercise shifts
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there there’s one paper from Thailand that caught my attention by IDT and colleagues that found that polymorphisms
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in the scn5a sodium Channel were associated
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with cardiac arrest in the setting of vaccine M genetic variability really yes so there could be genetic variability
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and also uh papers that we find that the myocarditis is very patchy uh it’s not
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very extensive uh it’s typically not enough to cause heart failure just as a general uh rule it would take about 15%
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of The myocardium that we would see on MRI by late gum enhancement or would see by histopathology 15% of left ventricle
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before there would be left ventricular dysfunction in autopsies that we had reviewed there was small patches of
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inflammation but here’s the concept as The myocardium is depolarized ing if the
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the wavefront of depolarization goes through an area where there is inflammation and edema there is slowed
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conduction and an opportunity for that wavefront to Circle back and then cause
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re-entry and when there’s re-entry that is the most common mechanism for
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ventricular teoc cardia and in a young person the ventricular techic cardia is going to be fast many times it’s going
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to cause a prein Sy snable uh symptoms and then will quickly degenerate to
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ventricular fibrillation because the VT so fast and that looks to me like what we’re seeing on these athletes
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particularly those in Europe who die on the pitch and I suppose if you had an area of uh inflammation in the
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ventricular myocardium as well that itself could be a possible source of ectopic poai it can it can be ectopic F
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but it’s it’s unlikely to be primary VF the most likely mechanism is initially
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ventricular attack of cardia with rapid degradation to ventricular fibrillation and recently we’ve been made aware of a
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paper from Japan were exactly they caught that there so there was a young Japanese man uh the first author of this
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paper is um uh uh manato and a young man is on the
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SEC SEC day after he takes fizer he gets a fever he collapses and the paramedics uh retreat
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him and he’s in a fast ventricular tardia degenerates the ventricular fibrillations they’ve actually caught
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the entire episode now uh another factor to consider in these fatal cases like
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the manado case and another Case by Choy is involvement of the conduction system
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so if the inflammation involves the conduction system we’re talking the AV node the bundle of His the right and
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left bundle then it’s far more likely to be fatal Choy basically you know
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recorded a who who literally died 7 hours into the hospital and when they did the autopsy the entire conduction
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system was destroyed with vaccine induc my carditis wow incredible yeah um now
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staggering I’m reading in this paper about 70% of the world’s population have had uh one at least one
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covid vaccine and look looking back the incredulity is just huge that this could
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be done without proper cardiac uh studies a lot of people in my comments
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are really concerned that there’s an epidemic of heart failure and other heart pathologist but probably
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particularly heart failure or increased cardiac arrests or increased coronary
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arterial atherosclerosis uh coming um is the are
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these fears in any way Justified I think they are but but but
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covid the respiratory illness and the vaccines need to be factored in and and
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important citations one is by X and colleagues from the US Veterans Administration clearly demonstrating
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after covid respiratory illness there’s about a six- week period where older
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individuals are at increased risk for myocardial infarction stroke and cardiovascular death so it’s a post
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viral risk probably related to you know ethos scerotic inflammation by the way
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very similar pattern after influenza same type of pattern so it’s it’s true
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now with the vaccines we’re seeing this pattern of these vaccines uh and then
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Cardiac Arrest uh the vaccines there’s about 800 papers in the peerreview
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literature you know implicating the vaccines with myocarditis our agencies came out pretty quickly uh in 2021 and
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said the vaccines caused myocarditis us FDA did I know believe it or not in the UK and Australia they came out pretty
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quickly with guidelines on how to diagnose vaccine and mtis what’s incredible what’s really incredible
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though is is after our agencies told us that the vaccines cause
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myocarditis and we know with myocarditis athletes cannot exercise then the athletic leagues many
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of them including the US NFL and others they mandated the vaccines with no
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safety it’s interesting so during covid the respiratory illness there was lots of safety there was myocarditis
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screening programs going on nobody could find you know basically any significant cases but when the vaccines come out and
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the agencies say they cause myocarditis then suddenly there’s no safety screening or any other you know measures
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the athletes take the vaccine and then we see what happens and it’s quite possible that many of these cardiac
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arrests that have been so well publicized are caused by this and if these people had been advised that there
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was an element of risk here and to rest for a period of time after the vaccine
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it’s not inconceivable that these death could have been prevented that’s true but I tell you the
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case that comes to my attention is Oscar Cabrera adamus adamus is a Dominican
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player he’s playing in the the Spanish leagues doesn’t want to take the vaccines he tweets this out he’s forced
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to take it in 2021 he has a cardiac arrest on the court it’s it’s filmed he
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gets CPR he gets defibrillation he survives he appropriately you know is
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taken out of competition he’s you know supposedly treated apparently treated and he’s trying to return to competition
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and it’s now 2 years later in 2023 and he dies on a medical stress test dies on
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AIC and I supervise stress tests as a cardiologist I’ve never had a death I mean we’ve had VT we even had VF but we
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can always shock and resuscitate and so the adamus case of myocarditis from the
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vaccine in 2021 in cardiac arrest in 2023 does give us great concern that uh
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there could be inflam or scar formation and then this stochastic risk later on in life of cardiac arrest mhm so if the
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vaccine had caused some physical scarring in the heart and we know that the myocytes don’t efficiently
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regenerate that scarring could be there forever and could cause problems uh years or even decades down the line it
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could and you know it may not be deductible by amri or even autopsy because they can be very small patches
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and then we also have this uh report that’s so interesting by nakahara and colleagues regarding abnormalities in
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card cardiac positron emission tomography there are about 700 vaccinated 300 unvaccinated getting pet
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scans for other reasons but they had very good cardiac imaging and it was striking where virtually every vaccinated person uh The myocardium
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shifted from preferring free fatty acids to preferring glucose as a metabolic substrate uh and it’s tagged with 18
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floral dioxid glucose now when I order a cardiac pet and practice I’m looking for an es schic zone of myocardium here the
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entire left ventricle actually took on in almost every vaccinated person the appearance of an esic left ventricle
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whereas those unvaccinated had normal pet scans no fdg uptake and I looked at
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the paper carefully and the only thing that makes sense to me Dr Campbell is that there may be microthrombi or just
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you know RBC uh hemaglutination which is well described with the spike protein
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and in the small capillaries of the heart to create these metabolic changes so I and this was seen even out to 6
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months after the vaccine so we have to posit that it may not be all myocarditis it may be a form of a metabolic
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cardiomyopathy or other abnormalities but it appears to be common and and we may just be seeing the
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tip of the iceberg MH now most of the deaths in this study I believe occurred
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3 to six days I think three days was the the medium and six days was the mean was
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that right Nick the deaths was shortly after uh yeah three was the median six 6.2 I
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believe was yeah okay so does that mean that the rate of deaths is going to go down quite dramatically as As Time
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increases from from the vaccine in terms of these sudden cardiac
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deaths yeah we don’t know Dr Campbell it may be selection bias meaning the dust that occurred Rel relatively close to
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the vaccine it came to the attention of the family and the medical examiners and that you know a death that occurred 6 or
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N9 months later no one may connect it and it actually may not come to autopsy
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yeah yeah now one of the things I found really convincing about this paper was the uh the microscopy so here we have
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evidence of uh the spike protein in cardiac tissue uh Dr Mulla what are we
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looking at here please and what are these red blotches but the you know these are um basically uh
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histopathologic sections of The myocardium now this is from a paper by from Germany by B and colleagues now
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these are young people with myocarditis in German hospitals who are actually surviving myocarditis here these are
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survivors but we use this uh image to show you the red staining is actually
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the spike protein and uh now in a recent paper by crosson and colleagues they’ve
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also demonstrated ated messenger RNA in The myocardium by uh a genetic uh
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identification technique so I anticipate that there’s messenger RNA right in The myocardium producing the spike protein
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right there and we’re seeing these red stains as a result and what do we know about these patients previous medical
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history I mean do we know if they’ve had Co is there a differential diagnosis here between CID infection and vaccine
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induced Spike protein uh in our uh there was actually none none tested
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positive for the covid-19 virus uh at least at the time of death so we can so
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the balance of probability is that this protein is is vaccine induced yeah
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yeah yep and the the the blue there that they’re all cardiac muscle cells Dr M
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that’s cardiac muscle cells and there’s one more paper to quote I want to make sure this is um there is a paper
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of covid deaths where people have died of covid and they had an
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autopsy and of Interest the hearts were examined in covid deaths not a single
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case of myocarditis or evidence of myocarditis with Co alone so I think this is pretty
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important we can get you the citation on this so uh this is these are interesting observations it appears as if covid-19
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illness SARS kov to infection actually doesn’t cause serious myocarditis despite all the concerns in 2020 but the
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big threat is covid-19 vaccination mhm and also um the these are just the
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uh the blown up views of those pictures um but um also the uh inflammatory
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cardiomyopathy the inflammation of the heart muscle is shown here with CD4
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which are uh T helper cells um so I’m assuming that the blue here again are
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the cardiac myocytes the the heart muscle and the red here is this the
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staining of the uh lymphocytes the the T helper cells right the red and actually
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the little dark dots now um oh yeah the dark dots that are not you know clearly
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nuclei of the cardiomyocytes these are inflammatory cells uh now the important Point here is is don’t forget CD4 you
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mentioned T helper cells that they they are actually in the business of trying to present antigens to B cells
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and then B cells transform to plasma cells and produce antibodies so these
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this is a natural inflammatory response to a foreign protein in the heart the
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foreign protein is the spike protein inflammation in the heart should not
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occur and anytime there’s inflammation there is an opportunity for heterogen
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heterogeneous conduction through this Zone and anytime we have that there’s a risk for arhythmia I think there’s a
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much bigger risk of arhythmia than there is for heart failure I’ve only had in my practice I’ve only seen two cases of
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vaccine induced heart failure one man previously had heart failure he had an
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icdn prior bypass surgery he took one dose of fiser and he went into cardiogenic shock and within 8 hours was
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on um mechanical ventilator um ECMO support needed a heart transplant it was a very clear-cut case and then recently
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I saw a case where a man took a total of three shots and after the third shot he went into hard fail with a low ejection
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fraction uh and has probably missed myocarditis but uh most of what I’m seeing in the literature is just like
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this the these are boys with chest pain no heart failure but they’re at risk for cardiac arrest so I suppose we should be
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grateful that it’s affecting small areas of The myocardium rather than large areas of The myocardium but you’ve
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already pointed out the severe risks Associated even with very small areas of The myocardium now some some
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cardiologists think that the vaccine can induce inflammation in the coronary
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arteries accelerating the furring up of these arteries accelerating the development of the coronary arterial
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atherosclerosis what’s your thinking on that please I published a paper from our
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group in Dallas Zang was the first author and we think the culprit there is the spike protein the spike protein
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clearly injures endothel cells it clearly causes hemog glutation recent
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paper from David shime former NIH researcher has shown that unequivocally
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and that it actually induces thrombosis so I think the spike protein uh is
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playing a role in episodic aosc orotic events in people with atherosclerosis uh as well as uh es
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schic stroke and other atic events do you think it could actually increase the
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deposition of aoma or is it more the BL clotting associated with the aoma no I
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think plaque rupture is clearly in play the Zang paper suggested that and the
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other issue regarding the endothelial damage and these episodic events it’s my clinical impression that the risks are
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relatively equal for covid infection and the
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vaccine now we’ve got some sort of uh there’s a model here that you’ve basically uh sketched out which I did
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find remarkably useful do you want to sort of just um tell us what the main
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parts of this model are please Dr Mulla we tried to piece this together clinically what’s going on so we start
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in the upper leftand corner and say listen people take an injection it’s now known that there’s biodistribution
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throughout the body Crossing and colleagues showing messenger RNA in
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human myocardium B the slides we reviewed shows Spike protein from the messeng RNA is physically in the heart
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so there’s I don’t think there’s any debate here that the vaccine does go to the heart Spike protein is produced the
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heart may actually preferentially take up messeng RNA because myocardial blood flow increases during exertion and this
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may preferentially affect athletes myocardial blood flow can increase roughly two to four times with exertion
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people working out M um the risk factors for myocarditis are interesting it’s
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it’s men uh Peak ages 18 to 94 90% of cases are men and that was true before
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covid and the pandemic myocarditis is always much higher in men than women uh
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boys greater than girls and it must be related in some way to Androgen you know receptors or other factors no one
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actually knows the genetic predisposition I put this down there the scn5a
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mutation um uh has been described by ITT hot Lots meaning some lots have a much
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greater uh risk of serious Adverse Events that’s been described by schmelling and colleagues cumulative
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Spike protein exposure may play a role there’s enough cases now where people develop it on the third fourth fifth
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even sixth shot there’s a fatal case of an older man recently on the sixth shot parisite uptake of messenger RNA has
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been demonstrated by avolio in colleagues the symptoms are about over
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half according to the two papers I quoted have few or no symptoms so they actually don’t know that they’re having
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heart damage 43% symptomatic with chest pain effort intolerance palpitations near Syncopy passing out fever malays
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those come to attention uh there’s our diagnosis down the middle we if they’re hospitalized EKG you know I measure
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chonin BMP st2 gtin 3 those are are markers since 2013 those are our markers
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in the ACC ha guidelines we monitor for cardiac arhythmia standard of care image for LV dysfunction by Echo and then
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cardiac MRI and then when we see a large area in this case a large area of Lake gatal linium enhancement look where it
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is Dr Campbell it’s in typically the lateral wall and the outer part of the
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lateral wall almost every time it’s interesting and it’s contiguous with the parac cardium so probably the best term
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to use is a myopericarditis in almost all these cases the pericardium is
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involved uh if we detect it there should be no exercise we have medications for
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LV dysfunction a standard of care in my practice now is we have found in the Japanese have reported this good use of
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cortical steroids so we use predisone over the course of 3 months culine mandatory for a year non-steroidal
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anti-inflammatories additionally for pain if there’s leano dysfunction we use evidence-based beta blockers ACE
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inhibitors and the appropriate drugs large areas of Lake gatum enhancement like this one shown on MRI more than 15%
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of The ventricle may need an ICD because otherwise what will happen is up top
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there is the rapid ventricular tacac cardia and what you’re seeing at the top or right is VT that’s rapid enough that
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would cause someone to pass out on the plane field and if not properly defibrillated it generates to the Rhythm
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below that ventricular fibrillation next is a syy and that’s what we’re terming
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sudden adult death syndrome you know we do think this could explain the large
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number of deaths in people after vaccination with no other explanation but clinically when someone
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went into that ventricular tachic cardia on the top they would faint yes and they would remain unconscious while they went
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into this ventricular fibrillation that would become finer and finer until eventually we just had a AN asystolic
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line and no possibility of uh resuscitation at that stage right but if you notice the fainting notice some of
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the athletes particularly you can see this in the uh soccer players you call them football players the soccer players
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in Europe when you get to you can see their body when they do hit the turf they’re Ty typically is some convulsive
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action you’ll see some legs convulsive action a little bit that’s actually ventricular tacac cardio there is a
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little bit of profusion to the brain the brain is getting enoic and then once it’s ventricular fibrillation it’s
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they’re completely flaccid mhm and do we know that if this form of ventricular
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fibrillation and ventricular tardia is this as amable to defibrillation as say
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myocardial infarction induced VT or or VF there’s a paper by po creus as first
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author I’m senior author where we we analyze this from the best we could detect in in about a thousand European
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athletes and the answer is yes it’s amenable to defibrillation uh in our analysis about 40 cases could actually
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be resuscitated on the field and this is with without paramedics being there there’s coaches and other people so if
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we get the defibrator pads on this can be uh defibrillated um I’ve interviewed
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personally and examined pilot snow in the United States he had a vaccine related Cardiac Arrest about 2 months
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after taking the Jansen vaccine cardiac arrest in Dallas Fort Worth airport and
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uh fortunately the miracle of his case is they called 911 and the paramedics happened to be at the gate next door
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just by chance so they ran over to the jetway and it took three efforts at
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defibrillation but he was defibrillated he was in VF and uh he came back no
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neurologic damage he has an ICD in uh and he survived vaccine induced Cardiac
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Arrest mhh now a lot of people have asked me they say well if someone
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collapses if someone goes into one of these abnormal rhythms it’s very obvious
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there’s a problem with the heart and we’ve started looking at the heart but do you think it’s possible because of the systemic distribution of the vaccine
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and therefore the systemic distribution of the spike protein there could be similar other inflammatory processes
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going on in other parts of the body as well well as the heart it’s just that we haven’t picked them up yet thinking
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maybe particularly about the uh the liver perhaps the kidneys and and of course the ovaries intestines of of a
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lot of concern yeah I’ll let Nick answer that because we have a larger study uh
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this is the myocarditis substat of a larger autopsy study Nick do you want to take that on about kind of multi-organ
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system involvement sure sure yeah so so the
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other paper we or the other study we conducted um still hasn’t been published it’s on the
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pre-print server of zenodo but in that paper we actually looked at all the
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autopsy case studies or case series uh that include covid-19 vaccines as a
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previous exposure and so in in that study we actually found yes the
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cardiovascular system was was the most frequently implicated among the cases
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among the 325 autopsy cases that were included uh but that was followed by
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hematological System cases respiratory system and multi-stem involvement um so
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so so in that study uh it was kind of 50% or so was cardiovascular but the
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rest was was distributed uh throughout the body um
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now um Dr MAA you want to talk about the mechanisms behind any possible
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hematological right so the the hematological Fatal syndromes that are in the the larger studies on the
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European commission’s anoto server uh include uh fatal uh pulmonary embolism
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Veno Venus thrombo embolism I think people would accept that but also vaccine induced thrombocytopenic thr uh
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pereria in in in other words the the platelets aren’t working the blood doesn’t clot properly and you kind of
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get bruises all over the place as a result of that yeah well you know interesting it happened largely with the
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adenoviral vaccines astroica and Jansen so there’s actually abnormal clotting and bleeding at the same time the final
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mechanism of death in those cases is typically intracranial hemorrhage and thrombosis but I suppose if someone’s
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blood was clotting it would be using up the clotting factors and the blood would be having difficulty to clot after that
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a bit bit like a sepsis really perhaps right right and U you know one of the things that we found in both studies
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that was necessary is we we actually extract all of the autopsy data into evidence tables and then we had to
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independently re review it with u you know experts who in cardiac pathology
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for the following reasons Dr Campbell at the time the papers were published some
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of these known mechan some of these mechanisms we know now they weren’t known back then so you know some of the
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earliest autopsies were done in Germany so a patient would take a vaccine and die of a pulmon embolism and and the
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conclusion at the time is well it wasn’t related to the vaccine because they simply didn’t know didn’t yeah yeah but
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so we know now so this this idea I think this is going to be true for a long time that that we really you can’t just read
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the conclusions of the authors we have to independently review the information ourselves with contemporary
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understanding well the the review process yeah we we had a fair review process three reviewers we had a method
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for tie Breakers uh we did everything the right way so you know it this idea when we do a review like this we want to
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make sure there’s no bias so in selection of the papers we followed you know standard uh methods Prisma search
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sessions Nick produced a Prisma flow diagram and then on the adjudication and
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review we we followed again standard methods to make sure it was it was rigorous now in the overall autopsy
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study we found that 73.9% of cases the vaccine was either
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directly the cause of death or significantly contributed to death in
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the myocarditis paper that we’re reviewing um that’s fully published it was all the cases were due to the
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vaccine because you know they were they were um a priority thought to be cardiac
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myocarditis MH this graphic here that’s showing that uh most of the Fatal events
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occurred 3 days after the vaccine going up to 36 days after the vaccine um does
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this mean that people that were vaccinated a year ago can pretty well relax about
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this we simp we simply don’t know Dr Campbell this is just you know the days after the
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vaccine where the autopsies were performed you know in United States medical examiners don’t order autopsies
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on all unexplained deaths it’s it’s really a judgment call and I think here the proximity to the the vaccine is
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what’s driving this mhmh so so ni Nick you use you use something called The Bradford Hill
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criteria and adjudication by expert cardiologists um because all the people
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watching this or a lot of people are going to say look this is a correlation it doesn’t equal causality how do we
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move from correlation to causality in in this study right well well so the Bradford
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Hill criteria includes a few different categories includes strength consistency
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specificity temporality so so we’ll start with we’ll start with strength of
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the evidence so I mean the evidence is pretty strong we we have biopsies
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autopsies that are showing uh Spike protein directly within the affected tissues uh and there’s there’s hundreds
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and hundreds of studies that support the idea that that vaccines can cause
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certain syndromes such as myocarditis so so I mean there’s a really large amount of strength to to the association and
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the consistency scene well there’s a high really high degree of consistency um yeah there there 28 cases of fatal
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myocarditis that that we found but um overall there’s thousands if not tens of
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thousands of cases of myocarditis from the vaccine um so and every study has the
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same findings over and over again consistency so that’s important
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specificity um yeah it’s very specific uh we found Spike protein uh inside the
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cardiomyocytes and those with with covid-19 vaccine induced myocarditis um
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temporality as this this graphic here shows um there’s a very strong temporal
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correlation between the covid-19 vaccines U and death from myocarditis um
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I mean especially since the mean age of death was around Le less than a
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week um and and biological plausibility again that goes back into you know is it
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plausible is this C can the covid-19 vaccines is there a mechanism that can
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cause the death and uh we talked about that earlier there there’s many many
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different possible reasons that could contribute to death and
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coherence is the is the data coherent uh you know are there major differences
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between these uh you know does it make sense and yes
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yes um we see very consistent findings uh with with each case um and that was
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outlined um that’s what we looked at previously so all in all um The Bradford
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Hill criteria seems to have met the criteria for causality for covid-19
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vaccines contributing to death uh um but uh we can’t we can’t 100% say yeah
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there’s a causal link um we just can’t say that as researchers until we have a
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massive amount of evidence but we we can say there’s a there’s a very high likel
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Dr McCulla would it be inappropriate to speculate the proportion of the excess debts that we’re currently suffering
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from at the moment are attributable to this or is completely unreasonable
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question we need a lot more studies you know I think what’s really needed which would be very helpful for temporal
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Association is I think all countries should merge the vaccine Administration
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data and the death data and you know a lot of countries have this it’s simply merging and if we saw spikes uh
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temporally associated with when when people took the vaccines we could we could zero in on these deaths Dr kemell
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you know in the United States our CDC V system indicates that we’ve had about 18,000 th000
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Americans uh who have died and people report them to vars I’ve made these reports as a doctor I made a vars report
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today um so I’m very familiar on how to do it 18,000 where we think the vaccine
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caused the death okay so it’s so this is highly selected for we we think causality is there do you know of those
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18,000 plus do you know 1150 occurred on the same day they took the shot sometime
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right in the vaccine Center and then another 1 1200 is the next day afterwards so even if we draw a very
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close time stamp here we’re looking at 30 days here I can tell you if this was
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a drug trial and I was chairing the data safety monitor board which I’ve done about two dozen times in my career we
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would say listen anything within 30 days any event is attributed to the
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experimental product period it’s just a regulatory
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standard and yet strange that this isn’t been done um I
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don’t should we make a comment on why this isn’t being done have we any ideas why this data is not being taken up and
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waved strongly by governments and Regulatory bodies around the world or do you want to pass on that one it’s
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impossible to sign assign motive but none of the Regulatory Agencies have done a detailed evaluation of death
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after the vaccine there’s been no investigation uh by any Yeah country
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clearly we’re calling for that now I mean this this should be done as a matter of urgency gentlemen thank you very much
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for that fascinating Insight we’ll publish this with all the links um I’m afraid I can’t guarantee how this will
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be accepted by uh various uh video platforms but uh the attempt will be a
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noble one so uh for your time and and all the huge amount of work and and and what you’re doing generally in promoting
45:56
health and well-being and bringing to light things that otherwise will be hidden uh on on behalf of many many
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people thank you for what you’re doing thank you thank you for having us

 


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