It’s time for John Su to go

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It’s time for John Su to go

The CDC’s expert on VAERS hasn’t computed the URF or spotted any safety signals. His negligence has led to the death of over 150,000 Americans. It was deliberate. Here’s the proof.



Steve Kirsch
Oct 31, 2021

Executive Summary

  1. Dr. John Su is the government’s top expert on reporting safety signals to the CDC and FDA. His incompetence/corruption in failing to compute a simple number required for a proper risk-benefit analysis, has led to the needless loss of life of over 150,000 Americans.
  2. Dr. Su should be immediately fired by the CDC. There is no excuse for anyone in such a critical position at the CDC to make a mistake of this magnitude without being held accountable.
  3. I am not alone in pointing out his incompetence.
  4. Su claimed in a CDC meeting that VAERS, the official database used to track adverse events, is nearly fully reported (close to 1). He’s wrong. Dead wrong. The reality is that it is extremely underreported (close to 41 per multiple estimates). This was clearly done intentionally. If it were just due to incompetence or negligence, Dr. Su would have corrected the error when it was first brought to his attention. He did not.
  5. We could not find any evidence that Dr. Su has ever computed the underreporting factor (URF) for the COVID vaccines. This is extremely troubling because the correct URF is required to compute an accurate cost-benefit analysis. Had the committees had the correct URF, these vaccines would have been stopped immediately.
  6. Once you have the correct URF, it is clear that the vaccines kill more people than they save for all age ranges. They are nonsensical, even if they were 100% effective. This is why Su’s error was critical: at a URF of 1, the vaccines are viable; at a URF of 41 they are nonsensical.
  7. A URF of 41 reveals that the true myocarditis rate for 16 year old boys is close to 1 in 325. That is not rare; it’s a train wreck. The 5 year survival rate of those kids is completely unknown. Any cardiologist who says that you have “nothing to worry about if your kid gets myocarditis from the vaccine” is lying to you. We haven’t got a clue.
  8. Myocarditis is the least of your worries. There are hundreds of serious safety signals from these vaccines like death, heart attack, cardiac arrest, DVT, pulmonary embolism, intracranial hemorrhage, stroke, tinnitus, elevated cancers, latent viruses that re-emerge, blindness, aphasia, blood clots, numbness, muscle spasms, diabetes, guillain-barre syndrome, Bell’s palsy, and many more, but the CDC and FDA cannot spot any of them even those elevated 1,000X over baseline. They are inept, corrupt or both. Case in point: it was Israel who found the myocarditis signal, not the CDC.
  9. The CDC, FDA, John Su, and Tom Shimabukuro were offered multiple opportunities to respond to this article. They all declined. We couldn’t find anyone who was willing to defend John Su’s actions.
  10. To this day, the CDC and FDA refuse to supply anyone with the document showing the URF calculation. It has to remain a secret or everyone will realize that they fucked up royally.
  11. Congress is ignoring all the deaths, and encouraging people to get vaccinated. All attempts to get anyone in Congress to pay attention to the death toll in VAERS have been ignored.
  12. The mainstream medical community, like Congress, is ignoring all the deaths, and actively encouraging people to get vaccinated. The medical community is doing the exact opposite of what the science says. There are thousands of doctors who realize what is going on, but they are afraid to speak out. At first their excuse of ignoring my risk-benefit analysis is that it wasn’t published in the peer-reviewed literature. Then, after the same results were published in the peer-reviewed medical literature, the excuse was that the author of that wasn’t an expert. Wow. The bar keeps moving. Instead of reviewing the data, we are judged by who we are and whether our conclusions comport with mainstream thinking. This is the way science is apparently done today.
  13. None of the vaccine cheerleaders will defend their position. No prominent vaccine advocate will debate my team of experts. They all refuse.
  14. Change is happening, but it’s slow. My slide decks on (such as the “All you need to know” deck and my “20 questions” deck) have been used to change the mind of school boards to drop the mandates. One school board voted 3:1 in favor of dropping the mandate and specifically cited my slide deck as the primary reason for their vote. I was proud to have contributed to that effort. It was a parent that made the presentation and provided the link to the board. I only found out about it afterwards.
  15. Their reputation is a lot more important than your life. Let’s be clear. Everyone in Congress thinks the vaccines are safe. No one is going to go against that and hold the CDC accountable and risk being labelled “anti-science” by their peers. So they aren’t ever going to admit they were misled even when the evidence is clear cut (and it doesn’t get any better than this). The sad fact is that their reputation is more important to them than your life. I don’t know of a single exception who has the courage to stand up for the truth. Do you?

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Dr. John Su is the top VAERS expert at the CDC.

Su claims that VAERS is only slightly underreported this year. That’s impossible. That’s not what the data says at all. His erroneous claim has profound implications on safety that jeopardizes millions of lives worldwide because it means that the vaccines are not safe; it means the vaccines kill more people than they save.

I have repeatedly attempted to alert Dr. Su about his mistake. He has ignored me. Here’s proof.

The VAERS database itself has been trying to alert Dr. Su as well. There are now more adverse reports from the COVID vaccines than for all vaccines over the last 30 years. Yet the CDC doesn’t see any problems. Seriously?

At this point, it’s crystal clear that he’s either incompetent or corrupt, or both. I don’t know which one it is, but either way, he needs to resign. If he doesn’t resign, he should be fired.

Anyone can calculate the VAERS URF. It isn’t rocket science.

ANYONE can calculate the VAERS underreporting factor (URF) using a method that is well known to Dr. Su since it was described in a paper that he wrote.

My calculation is explained in detail here. I got a URF of 41. I did everything by the book. I used the CDC methodology, I used the VAERS data from HHS, and I used the anaphylaxis data from the Blumenthal study published in JAMA, one of the world’s top medical journals. I further confirmed the Blumenthal numbers using the Hashimoto study which was published in another peer-reviewed journal. You really can’t get any better than that.

I also confirmed my URF estimate using the serious adverse event rate from the “gold standard” Pfizer clinical trial which the FDA has certified is correct since they granted full approval of the drug (see Critical Appraisal of VAERS Pharmacovigilance: Is the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) a Functioning Pharmacovigilance System? by Jessica Rose). Note that Rose calculated a URF of 31 which is less than mine because drug manufacturers significantly game both the adverse event reporting systems (making it difficult to report adverse events) and the composition of the cohort (chosen to be much healthier than “normal”).

Attorney Aaron Siri calculated a URF of at least 50.

In short, the value of 41 that I calculated is more than reasonable.

The problem is Dr. Su thinks the URF is completely different. He thinks it is close to 1. But he’s actually never bothered to calculate the correct value. There is no document that exists showing the calculation. This is why the CDC and FDA have consistently refused to provide it. Because it does not exist.

Watch this video from August 30, 2021 (which starts at 16:11) and stop at 17:56.  Dr. Brooks asks, “What is the potential for underreporting …for example can we extrapolate out if there is in fact more Myocarditis out there that is just not coming to VAERs?”   Dr. John R. Su responded, “Previous reports have demonstrated that VAERs does capture a substantial proportion of adverse events out there…. with respect to Myocarditis… it’s my recollection that reporting rates are roughly comparable to what has been seen in other surveillance systems like the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD)…. I do anticipate some underreporting … that being said for Myocarditis they do capture a good proportion of what’s out there…. In terms of what we are capturing we are getting a good number.”

In other words, he basically has admitted he never really calculated the URF because if he did, he would have mentioned it.

Pfizer showed that Su is either lying or incompetent

Su is in hot water because his statement was disputed shortly after he made it. Here’s a slide from page 32 of the Pfizer presentation at the October 26, 2021 VRBPAC meeting. This shows that VAERS is capturing less than 20% of the cases (since Optum wouldn’t be fully reported either). Uh oh.

If John doesn’t admit at least a factor of 5, he’s in trouble because I notified him by email and voicemail of the error. If he says it’s only a factor of 5, then he’ll look bad when we correct him yet again since the anaphylaxis data says the URF must be at least 41 for all events. What will he do?

VSD is even more underreported than VAERS

Dr. Su admitted VAERS reporting rates are comparable to VSD. In fact, in many cases, VSD is even more underreported than VAERS (as we will show next). Thus, it is completely nonsensical to use VSD to determine the VAERS URF. Yet this is what five CDC authors do in this paper! The absurdity of this is simply unbelievable.

For example, for myocarditis, you can see on slide 13 in Grace Lee’s ACIP presentation that VAERS is actually reporting slightly more events per million than VSD! That’s simply impossible if VSD is a fully reported system or even close to a fully reported system.

The same underreporting is true for anaphylaxis reports: both VSD and VAERS have similar reporting rates: VSD data showed 5 cases per million doses as you can see here Aug 30, 2021 ACIP Meeting – Safety update for COVID-19 vaccines, whereas VAERS showed 5.97 per million doses. So once again, VAERS, a very underreported system, is reporting events at a higher rate than VSD for a second serious adverse event.

Thus, using VSD to establish a URF for VAERS is idiotic. You are benchmarking two underreported systems against each other. The CDC did this in their paper because they are inept. To benchmark VAERS against VSD is to cause a further downward bias in the counts.

The bottom line is that it is unacceptable that the lead researcher on evaluating the VSD or VAERS safety signals for the CDC thinks VAERs has “captured a good proportion of what’s out there.” That is simply not reality or anywhere close to reality.

VAERS is typically underreported by a factor of 10 to 100

Dr. Su should know that VAERS is normally underreported by a factor between 9.5 and 95 with 95% confidence as noted in Advanced Clinical Decision Support for Vaccine Adverse Event Detection and Reporting). That paper showed a mean URF of 30. So thinking the URF is close to 1 is ridiculous. There is no evidence that this is the case. Relying solely on VSD and assuming that VSD is fully reported is absurd. There is only hand waving and wishful thinking that justifies this value, not data.

Consider this real-world anecdote which is very typical:

Had Dr. Su ever left his office to look at what is actually happening inside hospitals, he’d have discovered the same thing Penny wrote about above; there is no way that VAERS is anywhere close to being fully reported. That there are any reports in VAERS at all is miraculous.

A URF of 41 makes the vaccines nonsensical

Dr. Su knows the correct method to calculate the minimum URF. Had he done it the right way, he would have calculated a value of 41 or more, just as I did. He did not do that.

This is a huge problem for John. At a URF of 1, the vaccines are safe; they save more people than they kill for most age groups. At a URF of 41, the reverse is true: the vaccine is a train wreck and doesn’t make sense for anyone of any age. It literally kills more people than it could ever save, even if it was a perfect vaccine against all variants.

Using the URF of 41, the death reports from VAERS and subtracting out the average number of total deaths in recent years (a very conservative way to estimate excess deaths), we can get an excess death estimate of over 300,000. This value is within a factor of 2 of the excess death estimates computed using 7 other methods. So we have a total of 8 independent data points that validate our URF estimate. The lowest estimate was 150,000 so we generally use that as a safe minimum when we talk about excess deaths caused by the vaccine. The actual number could be much higher.

In plain English, VAERS shows 300,000 excess deaths this year. Which leads us to our next question: if the vaccine did not kill these people, what did? Well, the CDC and FDA cannot answer that question. Lucky for them, nobody in the mainstream media or medical community is paying enough attention to the data and asking them that question.

Dr. Su’s serious mistakes are a major part of the reason the CDC has missed critical safety signals on myocarditis and other serious adverse events.

The bottom line is that what Dr. Su considers a minor increase in events is, in reality, a major train wreck. If it were just Dr. Su’s opinion, this wouldn’t be a big deal. But both the VRBPAC and ACIP committees (the outside vaccine advisory committees of the FDA and CDC) rely on Dr. Su for accurately interpreting the VAERS data. He has failed them. They still haven’t realized it.

CDC cannot identify a safety signal to save their life

A risk-benefit calculation for the vaccines shouldn’t just take into account the risk of death compared to the lives saved. There are other adverse events to consider as well. However, in our case, they don’t matter much since the vaccines are already disqualified based on mortality alone. We don’t even have to talk about morbidity.

But from an institutional credibility issue, it’s important to address the safety signals. It isn’t just Dr. Su who is incompetent here. It’s the whole safety team at the CDC and FDA.

The fact that the CDC is still clueless about serious and obvious adverse events such as death and pulmonary embolism is unacceptable. Someone has to lose their job over this. This is incompetence of the highest order.

For example, watch these 2 videos on Rumble:

  1. TFNT11: The FDA’s BIG mistake
  2. TFNT10: Myocarditis deception

You don’t have to believe those videos. You can check it out for yourself since all of the data is in plain sight.

For example, here are the VAERS results for pulmonary embolism, a very serious life-threatening condition that is clearly caused by the COVID vaccines:

Now, let’s do the same query but for all vaccines over a 5 year period prior to COVID. We get:

There are 2,629 cases reported for the COVID vaccines, compared to an average of 2.8 cases per year in a “normal” year (14/5=2.8).

That’s an elevated reporting rate of 938! How can they miss a serious adverse event like this? More importantly, If it wasn’t the vaccine that caused this elevation, then what did?

The CDC and FDA refuse to tell us! Crickets.

So they know it is a problem. The fact that they don’t reply means it is deliberate that they are doing this.

Here’s a VAERS analysis report that my friend Albert Benavides did for me on pulmonary embolism. You can see there is causality (the peak onset time is day 1, not 0). Compare this to all PE events over the last 10 years. See a difference? The shape of the curve is not the same. So if the vaccine didn’t cause all these PE events, then what did? Nobody can answer that question and nobody at the CDC will allow the question to be asked.

I will bet anyone in the world $10M that both death and pulmonary embolism is elevated by these vaccines and caused by these vaccines. Will anyone take my bet? Of course not because nobody really believes the CDC is telling the truth. Everyone believes they are incompetent to find safety signals that are in plain sight. That’s why nobody in the world will take my bet. Nobody.

This leads us all to the inevitable conclusion that all of the safety monitoring people at the FDA and CDC are either completely incompetent or corrupt or both. Clearly they can’t find a safety signal to save their lives. And as far as I can tell, they absolutely refuse to listen to any outside input telling them of the problem.

The bottom line is that the US needs competent individuals to monitor vaccine safety. Dr. Steven A. Anderson at the FDA and Dr. John Su at the CDC are simply not up to the task. They have found no safety signals at all. The only signal they did find, the myocarditis signal, came from Israel. They had to acknowledge it when they couldn’t bury the story.

With no safety signals to investigate, both John and Steven should be lonelier than the Maytag repairman. They should welcome a call reporting a safety signal such as this one. Instead, they ignore any such calls and emails as too bothersome to respond to. If Congress requests their email records, they will see this first hand. Of course, that will never happen since there isn’t any accountability. So the CDC people fear nothing. So they will keep doing it. Your life means nothing to them.

How to screen people who can spot safety signals

I think I can help the CDC and FDA hire the talent they need.

Working with experts, we have designed a highly sophisticated 3 question test that can quickly identify highly skilled individuals who are capable of spotting vaccine safety signals.


In which year is myocarditis elevated (assume the number of people vaccinated in all years is roughly the same and the age distributions are comparable)?


In which year are deaths elevated? (same assumptions as above)


Do all of these bars appear to be the same height?

Any candidate who is able to correctly answer all three questions would be a substantial upgrade from the staff today.

How can the CDC and FDA not know the URF?

All of my emails to both the FDA and CDC asking them for the URF this year have been met with silence.

That’s standard operating procedure for these agencies when you bring up uncomfortable questions.

For example, the CDC did the same thing to ICAN attorney Aaron Siri when he asked them the same questions I asked them (see page 1 which incorporates the CDC response to the original letter on pages 2 and 3). Siri asked his questions right after the Blumenthal paper on anaphylaxis was published in JAMA on March 8, 2021. Boom. Right on target.

Aaron Siri is absolutely brilliant. As soon as that paper was published he was right on the case with his letter showing his URF computation. The CDC ignored him.

The FDA and CDC really don’t like Aaron Siri at all because he asks hard questions. For example, in his substack article, FDA Buries Data on Seriously Injured Child in Pfizer’s Covid-19 Clinical Trial, he pointed out how Pfizer gamed the clinical trials to make appear safe:
“The rules of the trial were that all recipients experiencing side effects were to have them addressed by a study doctor. Seeking medical care outside of the study automatically results in the subject’s removal from the study. Since severe side effects are likely to result in an emergency room visit at the local hospital, this ensures the majority of serious side effects will be pared from the study data.”
Here’s the question you have to ask: if an attorney (Aaron Siri) can calculate the correct URF, a scientist in Israel (Jessica Rose) can calculate the URF, and a Silicon valley tech entrepreneur (me) can calculate the URF, and all three values are close to each other, then how is it that nobody at the FDA and CDC can calculate the URF? Are they that incompetent?

They won’t tell me. And the NY Times and the Wall St. Journal will never ask that question. Investigative journalism that goes against the current false narrative is non-existent. It’s sad.

There is no debate: John Su has failed his primary job function and nobody will defend him

I did a survey to see if other people agreed with the arguments presented in this op-ed.

Clearly, this is not a close call. Rarely do I see surveys that are this lopsided…488-to-0.

Dr. Su is clearly unwilling (and I would argue also unable) to defend himself. Is there a single person at the CDC or FDA who will rise in defense of Dr. Su and agree to discuss this in a public recorded forum?

Please respond in the comments below if you work at the CDC or FDA and will publicly defend John’s work in an open debate since he will not.

You cannot do a proper risk-benefit analysis on serious adverse events without knowing the URF

John Su must know that the correct URF is required to calculate a proper risk-benefit analysis. It was his job to compute this. He’s failed the CDC and he’s failed the American people.

As we noted before, the correct URF transforms the vaccine into a non-starter.

His incompetence has led to the death or disability of well over 500,000 Americans who should have been warned about the serious adverse events caused by these vaccines, such as death.

And even if I’m totally wrong about the URF and John is right, it’s still a disaster because virtually all the 7,848 deaths can be easily shown to be causal using the Bradford-Hill criteria for causality. John never mentions that. It’s not clear he ever looked at it. I’m serious.

Dr. Su should have been yelling at the top of his lungs, “STOP THE VACCINE; IT IS KILLING TOO MANY PEOPLE.” Had Dr. Su done his job, these safety signals would have been spotted in January 2021 and the vaccines stopped.

Myocarditis implications

The implications of a URF of 41 for VAERS is extraordinary.

Let’s take myocarditis, for example. From Slides 4, 5, and 8 of the myocarditis presentation at the October 26 VRBPAC meeting, we learn two important things:

  1. There is at least a 75-fold increase in the rate of myocarditis for fully vaccinated 16 year old boys over the baseline rate expected
  2. Myocarditis is clearly caused by the vaccines. It is dose dependent and there are no cases in the comparison interval (per slide 8)

The FDA and CDC and their outside committees have considered a 75X increase in heart damage for kids to be an acceptable risk. They accept 75 myocarditis cases per million boys fully vaccinated is “ok” which is 1 in every 13,000 teenage boys being vaccinated. So less than 1,000 cases for this safe vaccine.

But that’s not the actual rate because VAERS is at least 41 times underreported for myocarditis. For the purposes of this section, we’ll just be very conservative and assume that the URF for all events is only 41.

So now we have 1 in every 325 teenage boys who will develop myocarditis. This of course is a train wreck no matter how you look at it. But since Dr. Su never tells anyone about the right URF value, nobody knows and everyone thinks it’s pretty rare. Problem solved!

Unfortunately, just because we don’t know the risk, doesn’t mean the problem goes away.

The elephant in the room boils down to two questions:

  1. Will 20% of these kids who are injured today from myocarditis die in 1 year from now as is typical?
  2. Will 50% of those kids die in 5 years from now as is typical?

FDA panel member Dr. Eric Rubin (who happens also to be Editor-In-Chief of the New England Journal of Medicine, arguably the top medical journal in the world) addressed this question at the last FDA meeting. Here’s what he said:

Dr. Rubin basically said we don’t have a clue but we’ll find out over the next 5 years since we are experimenting on your kids. Not just a subset of kids… pretty much all your kids.

Let’s be clear. President Biden’s goal is to run the experiment on 100% of your kids; the under 5 years old category is next. Pfizer is already starting those studies now. The drug companies all want to inject 100% of the population because it means more profits for them.

I give Dr. Rubin credit for his complete honesty. It’s something we so rarely see in the medical profession.

The myocarditis rates for 5 to 11 year olds will likely be less than 1 in 325 kids because the rates seem to have a relative peak at 16 year olds. But still, that’s an unacceptable risk. Even if we are only permanently damaging the hearts of 1 in 1,000 kids, how can you justify doing that for 28 million kids in order to maybe save around 14 lives from COVID. That’s nonsensical. We’d be damaging 28,000 kids to save maybe 14 lives (since about half the 1 in 1 million kids who are estimated to die are estimated to be immune to COVID). Even the kids themselves can figure out that’s a bad deal (which is why we don’t tell them).

But myocarditis isn’t the only symptom. It’s not even the most dangerous symptom. What about death, for example?

For kids in the 5 to 11 age group, the VAERS data shows (extrapolating) that we’ll kill somewhere around 22 kids per million doses. So for 28 million kids in that range, the vaccine is expected to kill about 616 kids in order to save 14 kids from dying from COVID. So we will kill around 44 kids for every kid that we save from COVID.

In most societies, this would be unthinkable. It would be unethical and immoral. But not in today’s society. Because today we have been brainwashed into believing the vaccines are perfectly safe, despite irrefutable evidence that that is untrue.

We are told to focus only on the COVID lives saved and ignore any deaths due to the vaccine, no matter how strong the evidence for that.

People like me who tell people to look at the data are labelled as spreaders of misinformation.

This is a successful strategy: it has led companies, hospitals, cities, and school boards to mandate vaccination without allowing any scientific debate on the matter whatsoever! Full censorship is applied to anyone with a view that is not aligned with the mainstream “safe and effective” narrative. And the more you know, the more they censor you. This is why people like Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, Byram Bridle, Bret Weinstein, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Joseph Mercola, and others will never appear on mainstream media.

This is why nobody from the CDC or FDA or any mainstream medical institution will debate the  team of scientists and statisticians that I work with on a regular basis. The evidence just isn’t on their side. So they refuse. Every time. They will never do what the public overwhelmingly wants: an open discussion. I even offered an unrestricted research grant to get people to debate. They could name their price. Nobody was interested.

TrialSiteNews even offered to host a debate. Nobody from the pro-vaccine side would consent to do it. Nobody from the drug companies either. Wow. Just wow. Not even the drug companies were willing to defend their own product. No wonder they need liability protection.

Why is nobody in the medical community calling for Dr. Su to resign?

The case against Dr. Su is blatantly obvious to anyone who looks at the evidence.

I had expected that someone in the medical community, in Congress, in the FDA, CDC, or NIH, or in the mainstream media would call Dr. Su out for misrepresenting the URF, but nobody has. Nobody. It’s unbelievable.

In other words, what nearly the entire medical community is saying to the world is effectively, “Look, we don’t care if the people at the CDC whose work we rely on are incompetent. We completely trust them. If the CDC says the vaccines haven’t killed anyone and that myocarditis is the only adverse event, we believe them. There is no need for us to double check their work. The CDC calls the shots. Whatever they say, goes. When they say masks don’t work, they don’t. When they change their mind and say they do, they do. We do not want to lose our NIH funding or have our license to practice medicine revoked; that’s what’s important to us. The quality of the science? Not so much.”

None of the ACIP or VRBPAC committee members noticed that they never calculated the URF. Nobody asked to see the calculation. This is pretty stunning.

The committees are pretty much asleep at the wheel anyway so I’m not surprised. They never demanded a rigorous risk benefit analysis for justifying the 5 to 11 EUA. Toby Rogers, an expert in vaccine risk benefit analyses, said, “The FDA’s risk-benefit analysis in connection with Pfizer’s Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) application to inject children ages 5 to 11 with their COVID-19 vaccine is one of the shoddiest documents I’ve ever seen.” Wow. That’s quite an accomplishment. Toby has seen a lot of documents.

No one else has stepped up to the plate to do what is right. Not even Senator Rand Paul.

Thus, the burden now falls upon the retired high technology executives in Silicon Valley to point out the obvious mistake. People like me.

The public deserves transparency in regulatory governance, science and evidence-based public health policy and medicine, and therefore, I will continue to publish articles that are unbridled in their critical evaluation of the specific individuals involved in decision-making that affect us all.

John Su must go. He has no excuses. He won’t even defend himself.

I asked Dr. Su by both email and voicemail to respond to this op-ed before I published it. He ignored all my requests. Tom Shimabukuro was provided a copy as well. No response from him either.

If Dr. Su doesn’t resign, he should be fired and either replaced with someone who knows how to correctly interpret the VAERS data, or the interpretation of such data taken out of the hands of anyone associated with HHS.

Dr. Su, it is time for you to go.

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